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Dying - member
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Hey all,

I figured this was the best place for this...if I'm wrong, mods please move to the appropriate forum...

Fast Zombies: An Opinion

To begin with, let me say that I'm a "Slow Zombie" type guy. My first zombie flick was Dawn of the Dead 78, quickly followed by Night of the Living Dead and Day of the Dead. I have yet to see Land of the Dead, but I did catch Diary of the Dead and look forward to its sequel.

I suppose the first example of the "Fast Zombie" was the Return of the Living Dead films. While I enjoyed them, they were originally done in a rather campy style and were fun for what they were. After all, it gave us the famous catchword of "Brrraaaiiiinnnsss!!!!" that most of us quote at time both appropriate and otherwise.

But I've always preferred the slow, shambling guys. Why is that? I wondered why that was, and if I was just an old zombie fogy…as shambling as my favorite ghouls and equally unwilling to change. Listening to debates on both Library of the Living Dead and Mail order Zombies podcasts, the arguments made me consider each type and its possibilities.

I've heard that "Fast" zombies are scary and (by dint of this) Shamblers aren't. RoTLD zombies were fast, true; but they eat brains and as far as I know their de-brained victims don't get up afterwards as new zombies so they seem to replicate slower than Shamblers. The fast-quickly replicating corpses seem to be epitomized by the zombies in the 2004 Dawn of the Dead remake and the 28 days/weeks/months/centuries later films. I know there's a debate as to whether or not they're actually zombies, but let's assume they are for the moment. I believe that computer games might also feed into this (no pun intended) as slow zombies in a first person shoot-em up are easy kills and so the speed gives them a bit of the edge.

There are arguments as to whether or not zombies could run/can't run but once you accept the concept of the dead getting up to eat you, there's not much you can say about logic/illogic. <G>

Shamblers have numbers on their side, and never give up. They have weak arm/leg strength, but I'd say they must have very strong digits and jaws since ripping living flesh off a bone takes a LOT of strength. They have little to no intellect (Bub and Big Daddy being odd instances*), and move in packs.

So, after considering all the opinions I think I finally put my decaying finger on the reason I like the Shamblers over the Fast Zombies.

Simply put, its that Fast Zombies give humanity an excuse. No matter what you do, you WILL be eaten. Can't outrun them. Can't hide from them very well since Fast assumes climbing ability, right? You're just doomed.

Now, tragic endings are fine, especially in Zombie Apocalypse films. But as Brother D said on MoZ "Movies about Zombies are boring. Movies about people dealing with zombies are interesting." And that's the catch. Whether its Night of the Living Dead, Dawn 78 or Day; the humans COULD have survived if they worked together. If they banded together and resisted the onslaught of the dead. But they didn't. They let greed, self-interest, and all the worst traits of humanity to the fore and so they were killed. Their squabbling led to their part of humanity being zombie chow.

This is better to me because the Shamblers don't give humanity the easy out. Fast zombies feel like a natural disaster to me. You can't survive it anyway so let's wallow in the despair of it all, right? ;)

Anyway, sorry to ramble on like this but I felt that I needed to get it off my chest. After literally years of preferring Romero's Shamblers to Fast Zombies but not knowing really why led me to post the answer as soon as it came to me.

It may not help other Shambler-friendly zombie fans but then again it might.

Stay Awesome!

GG

*= Just so I'm not accused of being a (total) Romero Fanboy, I can't help thinking that "Smart" Shamblers are as much an excuse as Fast Zombies are. Because if your zombie opponents can think, use guns, open doors, ride an elevator, etc. then you're toast!

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Hey GG! Thanks for bringing this idea back up. We've discussed this in the past but it is a relevant topic here again what with all of the newer fast as well as slow zombie movies being put out.

Let's start the party again Good Librarians!!

Doc

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For My humble self, I dont care if they are fast or slow.... as long as their zombies. Fast have some qualities that the slow ones do not and Vice-Versa, just give 'em to me undead and Im a happy zombie

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OH!! and as point or referance, RotLD victims do get back up, as shown for the first time in 3. I think it was kind of implied, but never shown

and yes I LOVE 3, it happens to be one of my fave zombie movies

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I can see the benefit in both fast and slow zombies, as long as there is not a majority of one or the other.

Fast zombies are useful for a faster spreading of the infection. Slow zombies, on the other hand, are good for allowing humanity hope of survival.

I do agree with GG that only fast zombies would defeat the purpose of zombies. You couldn't out run them and they would be harder to kill. This would allow no hope that humanity would survive a zombie outbreak.

I personally enjoy shamblers. NotLD was the first zombie movie I saw and continues to be my one of my favorite, along with all the rest of Romero's movies.

However, I also enjoy fast zombies if they are limited. Either in space (not outer space, but in the area they are in) or number. I'm particulary thinking of "Flight of the Living Dead". They are trapped on a plane but their numbers are limited to only the passengers and their space is limited to just the plane. This makes it interesting to see how somebody is going to survive. And I don't think this movie would have worked with just shamblers.

Another thing I don't like in zombie movies are talking zombies. I believe it stretches believibility too far. Most zombies would lose control of their vocal cords because most times they are turned by a bite to the neck that rips out their throats. How can they talk? More decayed zombies would have just lost their vocal cords through decay. In RotLD: Rave to the Grave there is a zombie who is more bones than flesh and I have trouble believing he is running around saying "Braaaaaains!". Yet, he does it.

Now, intelligence in a zombie I'm okay with. Like Bub and Big Daddy. They don't talk but they are still able to reason to some extent. I think this adds dimension to the films and books because it adds a new layer to the survival story. Now, humans not only have to learn how to kill them but they have to be able to out think them, also. Not only are the zombies evolving but they are forcing the humans to evolve in the way they deal with the zombies.

Okay, I'm done. Please excuse the long post but I never get a chance to debate zombies at home.

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Dr. Pus, Thanks...I posted this half afraid it would be a quick post-lock. We must admit this subject can on occasion get thermal quickly. <G>

DWM; Aha...I only saw ROTLD's 1 and 2 so that explains my ignorance. Agreed that it was implied but not really stated. So, can de-brained zombies talk? That's a whole other kettle of fish! LOL!

Aventerine; I agree that a bit of variety is fun (see my Variety is the Spice story elsewhere.) If nothing else, any one thing allows the survivors to become complacent. The Bubs-Big Daddys are tolerable in small numbers (IMO) but I wouldn't want all of them being that way or as smart as normal (like Brian Keen's _Rising_ and _City of the Dead_) Of course, he had a good rationale in the explanation of the rise, but IMO it doesn't really work past the first book.

I suppose I could live with Fast Zombies during the first couple of days of a Rise, but quickly becoming shamblers as decay increases. This allows collapse of civilization without hopelessness. If you can hide for a day or two you've got a chance.

I read a story on Homepage of the Dead's fiction section by Jan Corbett where the zombies were fast, but animal intelligence....and a nifty weakness IMO. Basically, they only went after people that were in their direct line of sight. Go over a wall or circle around a building and they quickly lost interest. ADHD Zombies! LOL!

Another interesting trick would be for shamblers to become faster as they decay; like maybe with excess flesh rotting off they're speedier due to nerve retention vis a vis the virus. Hmmm. Worth a thought.

Keep 'em coming!

GG

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I'm pretty much neutral on this subject, unless they're chasing me.

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Good question.... i dont6 think they ever showd a de-brained zombie talking, but with the zombies that resurrect that have been dead for a long time talking I would says yes. After all their brains would have rotted away long ago. Butyou have to take a great leap of faith and throw science out the window (as far as zombie science can go anyway) because a bigger problem would be vocal chords. As in Return 2 shows, be-headed zombies that would have no lungs or even vpocal chords are still talking, but this topic is about runnner vs shamblers...

And BTW, check out 3, but get the Unrated VHS (unrated hasnt been released on DVD as far as I know). Its a wonderful movie with some very terrific gore. Its like Undead Romeo and Undead Juliet. Yes at its core, its a love story

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I second the good ratings for 3, too.
It's got great effects and a decent story.

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I;m a traditionalist. I like them slow! What truly drives me over the edge though are gecko zombies! AAAARGH!

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Yea, but then they could get a job with Geico.

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It depends on the kind of mood I'm in. If I want some quick action and excitement, I'll have the fast ones. If I want something more slow-paced and more dreadful, I'll take the slow ones. If I want to laugh or anything else, I'll take the intelligent, smart ones(e.g. Return of the Living Dead). But, as you might have guessed, I like every kind of zombie. It's like a buffet you can choose from. Delicious...

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Personally I have a preference for both. A good mix of fast and slow zombies in a flick or book can always keep you on your toes. But when they rise up and start to take over the world I want the slow ones, ie Shaun of the Dead and the backyard record throwing scene.

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This is really getting fun Good Librarinas!!

And GG, you don't have to worry about any subject getting "thermal" here at the Library. Never have and never will. Folks are here for the fun of it, not to blister someone else. It's all cool.

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Hmmm going thermal on a fast zombie, that would sure fan the flames and I bet they would burn faster then a slow zombie. Of course you have the problem of hitting the fast one with the flame thrower and then you really are a big hot target that everything can find.

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You "burned" me on that one Brad.

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Fast or slow, they are all target practice. But, slow ones would be easier to hit.

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The weird thing about it is that the fast zombies scare me more on the surface, of my psyche I mean. While for some reason the slow moaning shamblers get deeper into my fear mechanism and truly terrify me.

DotD 2004 had me jumping at all the appropriate moments, and afterwards I had trouble sleeping. I kept waking up to see that little neighborhood girl standing in my bedroom doorway.

NofLD comes on more slowly, like the slow shuffle of a Romero zombie. First I start to feel uncomfortable and begin shifting constantly from one position to the next. As the film progresses, my legs begin to tremble and I am unable to sit anymore and have to think of an excuse to get up and walk around a bit. Finally, I find myself unable to continue watching the movie, I’ll have to pause it or stop it completely and watch the rest of it later.

Of all the movie monsters that I have loved and enjoyed over the years, the zombie is the only one that really gets to me, makes it hard to sleep after watching. Maybe that’s why I love them so much.


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