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Ok. So, we gots:

Zombies
Vampires
Skeletons

What other kinds of "undead" or "not quite but maybe they are or maybe they aren't but for the sake of argument we'll call them dead" types are there? And why is one "better" or "worse" than the other? And who'd win?

Well, I think it safe to say where my bets are. Zombies. Why? 'Cause they just don't know when to stop. They keep coming and coming and coming and no matter how many you put down, there's always another dozen coming around the corner to fill the void.

Now share, dang it!

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I think the winner would depend on a number of factors. For example, the type of zombie. Are we discussing brainless shambler(like NotLD), intelligent thinkers (like The Rising), or limited intelligence (like Bub from DotD)? Also, are weapons allowed? Being able to stake a vampire would make him less likely to survive than if you couldn't. I think skeletons would be the weakest of the lot because they could be taken apart easily. But would a zombie or a vampire attack a skeleton? They have no blood (for the vampire) and no meat (for the zombie). Vampires, on the other hand, would be tougher to kill, especially without weapons.

Other creatures could be werewolves, ghosts, etc. The list of possbilities is endless. I could even add Jason, Freddy, Michael Meyers, Pumpkinhead, and the guy from Jeepers Creepers.

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I think Babygirlminxie should come in on this one, she's the real Royal Fan.

You could have mummies, ghouls and liches.

Have them all in the ring and add one at a time :)

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Are wraiths the same thing as liches?

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Last one standing in the ring is the winner? If you play by those rules my money is on the vampire. Most substance there.

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If we're talking a real Royal Rumble then I have to agree with Minxie. I don't think the zombies would have the brain power to throw the others over the top rope. Although, if ghosts were allowed I might have to root for them.

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Are wraiths the same thing as liches?


-robertrbest

Speaking purely in D&D terms (which of course, is the benchmark for reality...) Wraiths tend to be malicious evil, incorporeal spirits but Liches are usually magic-users that want to live forever so turn themselves into an intelligent undead entity that's a bit like a skeleton that's like really hard to kill!

Not sure what the distinction in reality is though :)

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Speaking purely in D&D terms (which of course, is the benchmark for reality...) Wraiths tend to be malicious evil, incorporeal spirits but Liches are usually magic-users that want to live forever so turn themselves into an intelligent undead entity that's a bit like a skeleton that's like really hard to kill!
Not sure what the distinction in reality is though :)

-dancingfred

That's more or less the gist of the DND terminology. To go into greater detail, a wraith is a disembodied spirit that becomes mildly corporeal, allowing it to physically attack people. This is accepted as the common standard.

As for liches, they are, as Fred said, magic users who wished for immortality and got it through a long and very difficult process. The process involves consuming yourself with necrotic energy and placing your soul in a phylactery (think Voldemort and his soul shard things in the later HP books). This allows the appearance and form of the undead without an actual death occurring. In some cases, a powerful magic user will set this all up and use the magic released on his/her death to be a catalyst, creating an actual undead lich. This is a tool commonly used to create strong, lasting villains that can compete on high level campaigns.

I've done some research... Helped my bro become one in a long campaign. That was an odd one...

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I bow to your superior geek wisdom :)

Spot the DM!

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Are wraiths the same thing as liches?

-robertrbest

No.

Heheheheheh.

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What about Larry King?  Does he count?

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Having very little detailed info here, I think the Vampires would eliminate anything threatening their food source, which is of course us.  So I have no doubt they would eliminate the zombies, but not sure what the skeletons aree even doing.

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Skeletons are impromptu weapons. Shank a zombie with a rib or hit them with a femur?

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Okay, so what about a Golem? Not really dead or alive.

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golems are constructs, they are created by animating via robotics or magic, they are not however undead.

technically if you want to talk D&D terms a ghouls is more like a movie zombie then a zombie in D&D, the ghoul spreads disease with his bite and infects others a zombie is just a mindless automaton animated to kill anything living it finds but they don't necessarily eat their victims they just kill them.

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The geekiness of my long-ago youth forces me to concur with unoshato's assessment of golems, ghouls, and zombies, at least in terms of D&D.  Of course, those particular abominations aren't canonical or definitive--they simply describe the creatures as they exist in the D&D formulation.
 
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Tolkein anyone?

PS: My +12 zombie throwing stars are all the rage right now!

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I`m game.  Well not in the sense that I am a deer or moose, but you get the idea.

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Call of Cthulhu then?

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